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Why Finns Hate Small Talk, Love Getting Naked Together & Have an Island Fantasy with Elisabeth Lovman

Why Finns Hate Small Talk, Love Getting Naked Together & Have an Island Fantasy with Elisabeth Lovman

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For the 279th episode of Private Parts Unknown, host Courtney Kocak welcomes Helsinki native Elisabeth Rundlöf (now Lovman), from the city's marketing team, for a never-before-released conversation from our 2019 reporting trip to Finland.

Elisabeth gives us a crash course in Finnish culture and what life is really like in the country famously known as the happiest in the world. We get into Finland's complicated history with Sweden and Russia, gender equality and how it shapes dating and relationships, why so many Finns embrace living alone, and the cultural pressure around fertility and the country's declining birth rate. We also talk about drinking and dating culture, happiness, mental health struggles and suicide during Finland's extreme seasons, the Finnish hatred of small talk, and, of course, sauna culture—including nudity, body positivity, and why stripping down together might just be the great Finnish equalizer.

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